Has anyone managed to figgure out a fix for this dog?

In order to get a GPS card programmed using the Jeppesen
Skybondage adapter, I have to restart the application
over and over, it is continually deciding that the
card in the unit has 0 (zero) memory. It even tests
green using the applications "test card", then fails,
and then fails the test after that.

I was able to lessen the effect by plugging it directly
into a slot on the back of the computer. However, it
is still there and still annoying. It takes about 2-3
times on average of restarting and replugging everything
to get it to work.

Thanks.

For me, it seems like it just takes time. Don't plug the skybound adapter in
until the application is running. Then wait while the app finds and
recognizes the adapter and card. It seems that if the adapter/card is
recognized as a standard USB storage device first, it takes longer for the
app to figure things out. Sometimes I have to try the download twice but
never more than that.

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Travis
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PWK
"Scott Moore" > wrote in message
...
> Has anyone managed to figgure out a fix for this dog?
>
> In order to get a GPS card programmed using the Jeppesen
> Skybondage adapter, I have to restart the application
> over and over, it is continually deciding that the
> card in the unit has 0 (zero) memory. It even tests
> green using the applications "test card", then fails,
> and then fails the test after that.
>
> I was able to lessen the effect by plugging it directly
> into a slot on the back of the computer. However, it
> is still there and still annoying. It takes about 2-3
> times on average of restarting and replugging everything
> to get it to work.
>
> Thanks.

On 2008-05-09 21:12:03 -0700, Scott Moore > said:

> Has anyone managed to figgure out a fix for this dog?

Complain to Jeppesen. A lot. They need to fire their whole software
development department and get some guys with real-world experience
with some 21st century technology.



--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

Amen,

What a joke for software development they have.

It took them two years to support XP when it came out. It has now been 15
months since the release of production Vista and there is no timeframe on
their website for support. It says "since this is beta product". Vista 32
bit even supports 16 bit software but Skybound still won't run.

At the very least their software could check for the presence of the USB
adapter and then try to reload the firmware again on it's own instead of
only relying on the operating system services.

They could care less about the customer in that division. They might use
the excuse of "critical" use, and it has to be correct every time. What a
bunch of BS. If you verify the end result with checksums you know it is
correct. I believe that someone is employed who has been there a long time
and they haven't kept up their skills.


"C J Campbell" > wrote in message
news:200805121550568930-christophercampbell@hotmailcom...
>
> Complain to Jeppesen. A lot. They need to fire their whole software
> development department and get some guys with real-world experience with
> some 21st century technology.

Jeppesen Services Update Manager v1.1.9.0 (old Skybound USB) works
fine under Vista. I update 6 cards a month with it (G1000 and 530W).

On Tue, 13 May 2008 12:17:12 GMT, "Ron A." > wrote:

>Amen,
>
>What a joke for software development they have.
>
>It took them two years to support XP when it came out. It has now been 15
>months since the release of production Vista and there is no timeframe on
>their website for support. It says "since this is beta product". Vista 32
>bit even supports 16 bit software but Skybound still won't run.
>
>At the very least their software could check for the presence of the USB
>adapter and then try to reload the firmware again on it's own instead of
>only relying on the operating system services.
>
>They could care less about the customer in that division. They might use
>the excuse of "critical" use, and it has to be correct every time. What a
>bunch of BS. If you verify the end result with checksums you know it is
>correct. I believe that someone is employed who has been there a long time
>and they haven't kept up their skills.
>
>
>"C J Campbell" > wrote in message
>news:200805121550568930-christophercampbell@hotmailcom...
>>
>> Complain to Jeppesen. A lot. They need to fire their whole software
>> development department and get some guys with real-world experience with
>> some 21st century technology.

As a follow-up question regarding Jeppesen skybound, has anyone gotten it to
work on a Macintosh using BootCamp, Parallels, or VM Ware?

-- Dane

On 2008-05-13, Dane Spearing > wrote:
> As a follow-up question regarding Jeppesen skybound, has anyone gotten it to
> work on a Macintosh using BootCamp, Parallels, or VM Ware?

I would expect it to work with Parallels. I've had really good luck with it
connecting USB peripherals to Windows Server 2003. Have you tried it? I have
the feeling I'm going to be doing so, in a few weeks, since I'm getting a
GNS430W...
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (ordered 17 March, delivery 2 June)

The current JSUM will not install even in compatibility mode for XP sp2. I
am not sure if I have a old copy of it around. It gives a message similar
to "incompatible with operating system" on install. This is a new install
of Vista32 and not an upgrade of XP. I downloaded numerous times the
Services manager from the Jepp website. I am not sure if XP has anything
similar to the SETVER command in DOS. I have only been trying the shortcut
options to choose XP compatibility so far.



I guess if I didn't have anything else to do I could waste hours and see if
I could fool it. I just use an older XP machine for now.

"Peter Clark" > wrote in message
...
> Jeppesen Services Update Manager v1.1.9.0 (old Skybound USB) works
> fine under Vista. I update 6 cards a month with it (G1000 and 530W).
>

King ties the Jepp update to the gps unit serial# on at least the older
units during the actual download so it won't function even if copied.

I am aware of a way to copy the Jepp cards and they work, but it isn't worth
the effort. I would rather see people pay for their own copy since I pay
for mine.

>
> C J Campbell > wrote
>
>>> Has anyone managed to figgure out a fix for this dog?
>>
>>Complain to Jeppesen. A lot. They need to fire their whole software
>>development department and get some guys with real-world experience
>>with some 21st century technology.
>
> Not defending them but they have probably done some anti-copy hacks,
> to make it difficult to duplicate the cartridges. Can one just
> duplicate the cartridges and share them? If not, why not?
>
> Honeywell use a hacked file system in their KLN94 CF cartridges, which
> plays havoc with compatibility.

Don't know, I insatlled and am running it fine under Vista here. You
do have to run it as Administrator to allow it the permissions to
install the hardware driver on startup, but beyond that it's been
seamless for me.


On Wed, 14 May 2008 01:58:10 GMT, "Ron A." > wrote:

>The current JSUM will not install even in compatibility mode for XP sp2. I
>am not sure if I have a old copy of it around. It gives a message similar
>to "incompatible with operating system" on install. This is a new install
>of Vista32 and not an upgrade of XP. I downloaded numerous times the
>Services manager from the Jepp website. I am not sure if XP has anything
>similar to the SETVER command in DOS. I have only been trying the shortcut
>options to choose XP compatibility so far.
>
>
>
>I guess if I didn't have anything else to do I could waste hours and see if
>I could fool it. I just use an older XP machine for now.
>
>"Peter Clark" > wrote in message
...
>> Jeppesen Services Update Manager v1.1.9.0 (old Skybound USB) works
>> fine under Vista. I update 6 cards a month with it (G1000 and 530W).
>>
>

On Wed, 14 May 2008 02:02:51 GMT, "Ron A." > wrote:

>King ties the Jepp update to the gps unit serial# on at least the older
>units during the actual download so it won't function even if copied.

King ties the Jepp update to the card serial# - you can move a card
from box to box all day long, but you can't install the update on
multiple cards.

I guess I mispoke. When I update the gps on the KLN90B, it is a serial port
connection to internal memory on the unit. It does not use a removable card
and the serial# has to be given before the download. I assume it prevents
using their GPSLOADER software download on an other unit with internal
memory.

I haven't used cards on a King unit. I have copied Jepp cards for the
Garmins and they do work as a proof of concept.


"Peter Clark" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 14 May 2008 02:02:51 GMT, "Ron A." > wrote:
>
>>King ties the Jepp update to the gps unit serial# on at least the older
>>units during the actual download so it won't function even if copied.
>
> King ties the Jepp update to the card serial# - you can move a card
> from box to box all day long, but you can't install the update on
> multiple cards.

Peter wrote:
> C J Campbell > wrote
>
>>> Has anyone managed to figgure out a fix for this dog?
>> Complain to Jeppesen. A lot. They need to fire their whole software
>> development department and get some guys with real-world experience
>> with some 21st century technology.
>
> Not defending them but they have probably done some anti-copy hacks,
> to make it difficult to duplicate the cartridges. Can one just
> duplicate the cartridges and share them? If not, why not?

Umm, because it is illegal and wrong?

Just a thought.

Say, how about you work for free? How about you move to a communist
country?

Oh darn, I forgot, there are none left. Imagine that.

Ah. The 89B and 94 have removable front-loaded cards with a s/n you
give to the website before downloading. Those cards can be moved from
unit to unit without problem, but with the bizarre file format and the
file/card SN check you can't duplicate the files from the cards to
another card. I presume the same check that prevents the file from
being written to the incorrect card is run on the unit S/N for those
with internal NVRAM.


On Wed, 14 May 2008 12:21:41 GMT, "Ron A." > wrote:

>I guess I mispoke. When I update the gps on the KLN90B, it is a serial port
>connection to internal memory on the unit. It does not use a removable card
>and the serial# has to be given before the download. I assume it prevents
>using their GPSLOADER software download on an other unit with internal
>memory.
>
>I haven't used cards on a King unit. I have copied Jepp cards for the
>Garmins and they do work as a proof of concept.
>
>
>"Peter Clark" > wrote in message
...
>> On Wed, 14 May 2008 02:02:51 GMT, "Ron A." > wrote:
>>
>>>King ties the Jepp update to the gps unit serial# on at least the older
>>>units during the actual download so it won't function even if copied.
>>
>> King ties the Jepp update to the card serial# - you can move a card
>> from box to box all day long, but you can't install the update on
>> multiple cards.

Peter wrote:
> Scott Moore > wrote
>
>> Umm, because it is illegal and wrong?
>>
>> Just a thought.
>
> Once you get into ethics, this is not a simple argument.
>
> Let's say you have
>
> KLN94 (or GNS430)
> KMD550 (or GNS530 etc)
> Jeppview/Flitedeck
> Flitestar
> Garmin 496 (handheld/emergency)
>
> You pay for the same data (more or less) 5 times over. If this is not
> unethical then I must be living on another planet. But Jepp have a
> monopoly and have everybody over a barrel.
>
> I know many people who work in the software industry and who wouldn't
> touch bootleg software with a bargepole, on principle. Yet every one
> of them is sick of Jeppesen policies - because the ripoff is such a
> blatent "screw you" one.

Not ethics. Capitalism.

If someone is out selling lemons for $100 a piece by the road, you can
arrest them for profiteering, or simply rely on that someone else is
selling them for a reasonable price, or that for some reason lemons
are hard to find, and switch to using limes.

The way capitalism works is by having the vendor set prices according
to his costs, and the customer buy according to what he is willing to
pay, the law of supply and demand. The vendor is the only one who knows
his costs. The buyer is the only one who knows what he can afford. If
the buyer can force the vendor sell at his price, or the vendor can
force a buyer to buy from him, thats not capitalism.

The idea that people who can afford a $100,000 airplane with a $10,000
Garmin installation, and likely pay $4000 per year to annual,
cannot stick a crowbar in their wallets and come up $15 a month is
ludicrous.

What it IS, is, justifying theft of property in your own head so you
feel better about it.